Messina Posted January 4 Posted January 4 is there any accessible way to talk with you & your own personally and critise some of your staff members actions? or they are all so sacrated? and their mistakes or misjudgements which sometimes doesnt makes sense should be imposed to all? And any criticism by unfair punishment and bullying by the law that only defends them. Under any circumstances and in any situation (even if they have clearly made a wrong decision.) and by bullying and bullying just because they have executive responsibility on the server. are to be accepted? For example, the following case: the leader of raid forgot to inform all the members about the appointment. Should a player be punished for helping others just because someone else can't bear to see him succeed out of envy and greed? And the leader of the raid should be suppressed and suffocated just because he defends the truth and justice? Please, personally, as the highest authority and owner of the server, check this particular case. I know that this is not part of the description of your duties and responsibilities and for such cases responsibilities are classified. But I request you to check this particular case yourself and express your opinion. Even if item removed from winner and raid leader get punished by his unwanted mistake under pressure of leading and countlless whispers ... seems more fairer rather than to redistribute the item to for someone who tries to take personal advantage of the rules of the server and use the neglect of the group leader for the benefit of his own greed. Β Β https://forum.moonwell.su/topic/689-stunstun Β Β 2
Messina Posted January 4 Author Posted January 4 8 minutes ago, Don mIke said: is there any accessible way to talk with you & your own personally and critise some of your staff members actions? or they are all so sacrated? and their mistakes or misjudgements which sometimes doesnt makes sense should be imposed to all? And any criticism by unfair punishment and bullying by the law that only defends them. Under any circumstances and in any situation (even if they have clearly made a wrong decision.) and by bullying and bullying just because they have executive responsibility on the server. are to be accepted? For example, the following case: the leader of raid forgot to inform all the members about the appointment. Should a player be punished for helping others just because someone else can't bear to see him succeed out of envy and greed? And the leader of the raid should be suppressed and suffocated just because he defends the truth and justice? Please, personally, as the highest authority and owner of the server, check this particular case. I know that this is not part of the description of your duties and responsibilities and for such cases responsibilities are classified. But I request you to check this particular case yourself and express your opinion. Even if item removed from winner and raid leader get punished by his unwanted mistake under pressure of leading and countlless whispers ... seems more fairer rather than to redistribute the item to for someone who tries to take personal advantage of the rules of the server and use the neglect of the group leader for the benefit of his own greed. Β Β https://forum.moonwell.su/topic/689-stunstun Β Β Β Β 1
Teror Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I've joined this server about 6 7 months aggo i must say that i kinda agree with Donmike on this topic i get it sometimes things are not easy but if we have some rulles we have to respect/apply them (doesnt matter nationality) rank or how many years u have played i've been sometimes ,,ninjaed" in raids and didn t say nothing about it and about the staff members i really respect you but in this kind of sittuations u have to react as fast as possible to do THE RIGHT THING ...with regards Teror 1
momo Posted January 4 Posted January 4 It seems that the matter has taken another turn. I did not see any interference from the game master'sΒ in any other topic, which makes me wonder about the reason for this bias, or that the issue is so complicated that three GM's intervene to making a wrong judgment unfairly in the end.Another thing that makes me wonder is if the winner was Russian, would this be their reaction? Another question is if this change was made by a Russian player or a Russian leader, or did this problem happen on another boss.or the item was not legendary?There is no doubt that they would have a different opinion. Another question is, do these GM's have knowledge of how things go during the raid, or rather how players are gathered for the raid and how difficult it is? Are they aware of who the active players are on the server and also who leads the raids?we are talking here about most active player and most active leader in this server .These random and racist rulings can greatly harm the server, especially since all English players feel that they areΒ oppressed
momo Posted January 4 Posted January 4 rule 3.11Β Fraud during loot distribution in raids.There was no fraud if you go back to the raid data from the beginning you will see everything clearly but it is clear that there is FRaud and Exploiting the law for personal interests from this selfish, envious player who did not accept his loss easily
Exinor Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) Hello @Gensen, it does not concern me personally, but it seems that the issue has developed and become a racist issue and negligence in decisions by Staffs First: The GM's decision: It seems clear that the GM made the decision on a personal and racist basis. I will not say that this person who raised the issue, who is certainly Russian, has a personal connection with the official who took charge of this issue, and because of this relationship, the GM made an ill-considered and racist decision towards the players for his greedy friend. But we will not rule out this possibility, which is likely to be the basis of the decision. There is evidence, which is the clear inconsistency between Law 3.11, which issued the ruling, and the Gm's argument in making the decision to transfer the equipment and Mike attended. Where the law says: Fraud during the distribution of spoils during raids. And his argument that says: The leader did not announce the decision he made regarding the changes. Β The law explains: No fraud in distributing spoils. When you go back to the raid conversations, you will find that the loot was a group loot, and this clarifies that there was no direct or indirect fraud in the distribution (noting that the leader had no knowledge of what the last raid leader would throw ) And the Gm's ill-considered argument based on greedy and personal interests that clarifies that the leader did not announce the decision he made (noting that the decision did not have any bad or fraudulent backgrounds, but rather to improve and ensure the balance of the raid so that everything would go smoothly) Here, the incompatibility of the law on which the ruling was based and the argument on which the decision was based towards the case is clear This clarifies the recklessness and personal racist basis on which the GM based his decision I have some questions that clarify what I say Why didn't anyone speak up when the leader made the decision to have Momo change his character (noting that the warrior was in the group from the beginning) and why didn't anyone speak up when Momo changed his character again before the start of the last boss (The answer is simple because this is common in any group that conducts a raid and it is not worth talking about, and this clarifies The Gm's argument is not an argument at all) Would the case have been opened with this breadth and depth if the tool was ordinary and not legendary (given that no one knows what will be drop in the end, and the legendary tools drop is very small.. This shows that the GM has a personal relationship with the player and the decision was based on this relationship) Finally: To clarify, this decision is ill-considered, irresponsible and racist towards non-Russian players, and personal and emotional, as the GM must take into account all standards and be neutral in decisions, basing his decisions on the basis of the laws without ill-considered personal effort The upper hand in the server must reconsider this case because it is an issue that has affected all players in various ways and this may harm the reputation and popularity of the server, and this may be the last case for the server, as the server will die for this reason. The ruling issued towards this case (towards Momo and Mike) must be reconsidered Thank you Edited January 4 by Exinor 4
exp- Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Π§ΡΠΎΠ±Ρ ΠΈΡΠΊΠ»ΡΡΠΈΡΡ ΠΌΠ΅ΠΆΠ΄ΡΠ½Π°ΡΠΎΠ΄Π½ΡΠΉ ΡΠΊΠ°Π½Π΄Π°Π» Π½Π° ΡΠ΅ΡΠ²Π°ΠΊΠ΅, Ρ Π΄ΡΠΌΠ°Ρ ΡΡΠΎΠΈΡ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΠ΅ΡΠΌΠΎΡΡΠ΅ΡΡ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ Π² ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡΠ·Ρ Π΄Π°Π½Π½ΡΡ Π³ΡΠ°ΠΆΠ΄Π°Π½, ΠΈΠ½Π°ΡΠ΅ ΠΏΠ²Π΅ Π½Π°ΠΏΡΠ°Π²Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ EN ΡΠ΅Π³ΠΌΠ΅Π½ΡΠ° Π·Π°ΡΡΡ Π½Π΅Ρ, Π° ΡΠΎ ΡΠΌΠΎΡΡΡ ΡΠΆΠ΅ ΠΌΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π²Π΅Π΄ΡΡΠΈΡ Π ΠΠΎΠ² ΡΡΡ ΠΎΡΠΌΠ΅ΡΠΈΠ»ΠΎΡΡ))Β (To avoid an international misunderstanding i think it is worth reviewing the decision in favor of these guys)
Dromok Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) ΠΡΠΎ Π½ΠΎΡΠΌΠ°Π»ΡΠ½ΠΎ, ΡΡΠΎ Π»ΡΠ΄ΠΈ Π·Π°Ρ ΠΎΠ΄ΡΡ ΡΠ²ΠΈΠ½ΠΊΠ°ΠΌΠΈ Π½Π° ΡΠ°Π·Π½ΡΡ Π±ΠΎΡΡΠΎΠ² Π² ΡΠ΅ΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π°. ΠΠΈΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠΎΠ΅ ΠΎΡΠ΄Π΅Π»ΡΠ½ΠΎΠ΅ ΠΎΠΏΠΎΠ²Π΅ΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ Π΄Π»Ρ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π½Π΅ ΡΡΠ΅Π±ΡΠ΅ΡΡΡ ΠΎΡ Π Π, ΡΡΠΎ ΡΡΡΠ°ΡΠ΅Π³ΠΈΡ Π±ΠΎΡ. ΠΠ΅Ρ Π½ΠΈΠ³Π΄Π΅ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°, ΠΎ ΡΠΎΠΌ, ΡΡΠΎ ΡΠ΅Π»ΠΎΠ²Π΅ΠΊ Π΄ΠΎΠ»ΠΆΠ΅Π½ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠ°ΡΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΌ ΠΊΠ»Π°ΡΡΠΎΠΌ, ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΡΠΌ Π±ΡΠ» Π² Π½Π°ΡΠ°Π»Π΅ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π°. ΠΠ΅Π²ΠΎΠ·ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΡΠ΄Π΅Π»Π°ΡΡ ΠΎΠΏΠΎΠ²Π΅ΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ Π΄Π»Ρ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π° Π² Π½Π°ΡΠ°Π»Π΅ ΠΈΠ½ΡΡΠ°, Π½Π΅ΠΈΠ·Π²Π΅ΡΡΠ½ΠΎ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠΈΠ΅ ΡΠ²ΠΈΠ½ΠΊΠΈ ΠΏΠΎΠ½Π°Π΄ΠΎΠ±ΡΡΡΡ Π² ΠΏΡΠΎΡΠ΅ΡΡΠ΅. ΠΡΠΎ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ ΠΌΠΈΠ½ΠΈΠΌΡΠΌ Π½Π΅ Π±Π°Π½ Π΄Π»Ρ Π Π. Π‘Π°ΠΌΠΎ ΠΏΠΎΡΠ²Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ ΡΠ²ΠΈΠ½ΠΊΠ° Π² ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π΅ Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π½ΠΎ Π²ΡΠ΅ΠΌ. ΠΡΠ»ΠΈ ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ-ΡΠΎ Π½Π΅ ΡΡΡΡΠ°ΠΈΠ²Π°Π΅Ρ - ΠΏΡΡΡΡ Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ ΡΠΈΠ³Π½Π°Π» Π² ΡΠ°ΡΠ΅. Π ΡΠ°ΠΊΠΎΠΌ ΡΠ»ΡΡΠ°Π΅ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΡΠ°ΡΡΠΌΠ°ΡΡΠΈΠ²Π°ΡΡ "Π½Π΅Π»Π΅Π³Π°Π»ΡΠ½ΠΎΠ΅ Π΄ΠΎΠ±Π°Π²Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ Π°Π»ΡΡ-ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠ½Π°ΠΆΠ°". ΠΠΎ Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ Π½ΠΈ Π΄ΠΎ Π±ΠΎΡ Π½ΠΈ Π²ΠΎΠ²ΡΠ΅ΠΌΡ Π½ΠΈΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠΎΠΉ ΠΆΠ°Π»ΠΎΠ±Ρ Π½Π΅ Π±ΡΠ»ΠΎ, Π° ΠΏΠΎΡΠ²ΠΈΠ»Π°ΡΡ ΠΎΠ½Π° ΡΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΠΎ ΠΏΠΎΡΠ»Π΅ ΡΠΎΠ»Π»Π° - ΡΡΠΎ Π°Π±ΡΡΠ· ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°, ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΠΎΠ΅ Π½Π°ΡΠ΅Π»Π΅Π½ΠΎ Π½Π° Π΄ΡΡΠ³ΠΎΠ΅. ΠΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ΡΡΠ²Π΅Π½Π½ΠΎΠ΅, ΡΡΠΎ Π½Π΅ΠΎΠ±Ρ ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠΌΠΎ Π΄Π΅ΠΉΡΡΠ²ΠΈΡΠ΅Π»ΡΠ½ΠΎ Π΄Π΅Π»Π°ΡΡ ΠΊΠ°ΠΆΠ΄ΠΎΠΌΡ - ΡΡΠΎ ΠΎΠΏΠΎΠ²Π΅ΡΡΠΈΡΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄, Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ ΡΡ ΡΠΎΠ»Π»ΠΈΡΡ Π½Π° Π΄ΡΡΠ³ΠΎΠΉ ΡΠΏΠ΅ΠΊ (ΠΌΡΠΉΠ½ ΠΏΠΎ ΡΠΌΠΎΠ»ΡΠ°Π½ΠΈΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΊΡΡΠΈΠΉ). ΠΠ°Ρ ΡΠΎΠ»ΠΈΠ» Π½Π° ΡΠ²ΠΎΠΉ ΡΠΏΠ΅ΠΊ. ΠΠ½Π°ΡΠ΅ Ρ ΠΎΡΠ΅ΡΡΡ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΡΡ-ΡΠΎ ΠΌΠΎΡΠΈΠ²ΠΈΡΠΎΠ²ΠΊΡ ΠΎ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°Ρ Π²Π΅Π΄Π΅Π½ΠΈΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π°, ΠΏΠΎ ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΡΠΌ ΠΏΡΠΈΠΌΠ΅Π½ΡΡΡΡΡ Π½Π°ΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π½ΠΈΡ. Π² 99% ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄ΠΎΠ² ΠΏΡΠΎΠΈΡΡ ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡ ΡΠΌΠ΅Π½Π° ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠ² Π½Π° ΡΠ°Ρ Π½ΡΡ Π±ΠΎΡΡΠΎΠ². Π±Π°Π½ΡΡΠ΅ ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΠΎΠ²ΠΈΠ½Ρ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ²Π΅ΡΠ° ΡΠΎΠ³Π΄Π°. Edited January 5 by Dromok 6
dannie Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) ΠΠ΅ΡΠ΅Π΄ ΡΠ΅ΠΌ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Π±ΠΈΡΡ Π±ΠΎΡΡΠ° ΠΎΠ½ (ΡΠΎΠ³) Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅Π», ΠΊΡΠΎ ΠΈ ΠΊΠ΅ΠΌ Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ Π°ΡΠ°ΠΊΠΎΠ²Π°ΡΡ. Π ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°Ρ ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π½ΠΎ ΡΡΠΎ ΠΊΠ°ΠΆΠ΄ΡΠΉ ΡΠ»ΡΡΠ°ΠΉ ΠΈΠ½Π΄ΠΈΠ²ΠΈΠ΄ΡΠ°Π»Π΅Π½ ΠΈ Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ ΡΠ°ΡΡΠΌΠ°ΡΡΠΈΠ²Π°ΡΡΡΡ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠ½Π°Π»ΡΠ½ΠΎ, ΠΎΡΠ΅Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π½ΠΎ, ΡΡΠΎ ΡΠΌΡΡΠ»Π° ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ-ΡΠΎ Π½Π°@Π±Π°ΡΡ Ρ ΡΠ΅Π±ΡΡ Π½Π΅ Π±ΡΠ»ΠΎ.Β ΠΠ°Π½ Π·Π΄Π΅ΡΡ ΡΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎ Π»ΠΈΡΠ½ΠΈΠΉ, ΠΏΡΠΈΠ½Π°Π΄Π»Π΅ΠΆΠ½ΠΎΡΡΡ ΠΈΠ»Π»ΠΈΠ΄Π°Π½ΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΆΠ΅ ΠΏΠΎΠ΄ Π±ΠΎΠ»ΡΡΠΈΠΌ Π²ΠΎΠΏΡΠΎΡΠΎΠΌ. Π Π΅ΠΉΠ΄ΠΎΠ² ΠΈΡΠ°ΠΊ ΠΌΠ°Π»ΠΎ, Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ Π΅ΡΡ ΠΌΠ΅Π½ΡΡΠ΅. Β Β Edited January 5 by dannie 1
Vivent Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) @Dromok100%right This is an abuse of the rule, which is aimed at something else. The only thing that everyone really needs to do is to notify the raid if you roll on another spec (the main is the current one by default). The war rolled on his spect. During the raid, players change their alt's frequently and constantly to boost the raid without any announcement from the leader, and I did not see any objection from any one before .The matter here is not related to Notification or not, the matter here is related to the weapon and the greed for this legendaryΒ Edited January 5 by Vivent 2
Vivent Posted January 5 Posted January 5 I would like to @StunstunΒ show up here and tell us how much he is happy with his glaive now .when he pull a ban for his friend who cary him in all his raids as a rogue . And we all know that is rare are the leader's who cary rogues. It's so expensive this glaive.it cost your head @Don mIke Β
Expo Posted January 5 Posted January 5 ΠΠ° ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠΎΠΌ Π΅ΡΡ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ²Π΅ΡΠ΅ Π°Π΄ΠΌΠΈΠ½Ρ ΠΈ Π³ΠΌΠ°ΠΌ Π½Π° ΡΡΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΠΎ Π½Π΅ΡΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΌ Π·Π°Π½ΡΡΡΡΡ ΡΡΠΎ Π±Ρ Π·Π°Π½ΠΈΠΌΠ°ΡΡΡΡ ΠΌΠΎΠ½ΠΈΡΠΎΡΠΈΠ½Π³ΠΎΠΌ ΠΈ Π²Π°Π»ΠΈΠ΄Π°ΡΡΠ΅ΠΉ ΡΠΎΠ·Π΄Π°ΡΠΈ Π»ΡΡΠ° Π² ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π°Ρ ?
Otaw Posted January 5 Posted January 5 ΠΠΎΠΏΡΠΎΡ Π΄Π»Ρ Π‘ΠΏΠΈΠ΄ΠΈ: 1. ΠΡΠ»ΠΈ Π±Ρ Π±ΡΠ»ΠΎ ΠΎΠΏΠΎΠ²Π΅ΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅, ΡΡΠΎ ΠΠΎΠΊ Π·Π°ΠΉΠ΄Π΅Ρ Π½Π° ΠΠ°ΡΠ° - ΠΎΠ½ Π±Ρ Π»ΠΈΠ²Π½ΡΠ» Ρ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π°? 100% Π½Π΅Ρ 2. ΠΠ½ ΠΆΠ΅ Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅Π» ΡΡΠΎ Π²Π°Ρ Π·Π°ΡΡΠ», ΠΏΠΎΡΠ΅ΠΌΡ ΡΠ»ΠΎΠ²ΠΎ Π½Π΅ ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π» ΡΡΠΎ ΠΏΡΠΎΡΠΈΠ²?Β
Distraction Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Rotten and stupid English-speaking players, you never write in raids who you roll on, always go to different twinks during one raid (and you need to write about this in advance). 90% of you do not know how to play. This situation will be a lesson to you, eat shit. Mike, you are a dog, you deservedly got punished. Cry more, it will not help you.
Distraction Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Π 05.01.2025 Π² 11:03, dannie ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π»: ΠΠ΅ΡΠ΅Π΄ ΡΠ΅ΠΌ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Π±ΠΈΡΡ Π±ΠΎΡΡΠ° ΠΎΠ½ (ΡΠΎΠ³) Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅Π», ΠΊΡΠΎ ΠΈ ΠΊΠ΅ΠΌ Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ Π°ΡΠ°ΠΊΠΎΠ²Π°ΡΡ. Π ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°Ρ ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π½ΠΎ ΡΡΠΎ ΠΊΠ°ΠΆΠ΄ΡΠΉ ΡΠ»ΡΡΠ°ΠΉ ΠΈΠ½Π΄ΠΈΠ²ΠΈΠ΄ΡΠ°Π»Π΅Π½ ΠΈ Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ ΡΠ°ΡΡΠΌΠ°ΡΡΠΈΠ²Π°ΡΡΡΡ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠ½Π°Π»ΡΠ½ΠΎ, ΠΎΡΠ΅Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π½ΠΎ, ΡΡΠΎ ΡΠΌΡΡΠ»Π° ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ-ΡΠΎ Π½Π°@Π±Π°ΡΡ Ρ ΡΠ΅Π±ΡΡ Π½Π΅ Π±ΡΠ»ΠΎ.Β ΠΠ°Π½ Π·Π΄Π΅ΡΡ ΡΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎ Π»ΠΈΡΠ½ΠΈΠΉ, ΠΏΡΠΈΠ½Π°Π΄Π»Π΅ΠΆΠ½ΠΎΡΡΡ ΠΈΠ»Π»ΠΈΠ΄Π°Π½ΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΆΠ΅ ΠΏΠΎΠ΄ Π±ΠΎΠ»ΡΡΠΈΠΌ Π²ΠΎΠΏΡΠΎΡΠΎΠΌ. Π Π΅ΠΉΠ΄ΠΎΠ² ΠΈΡΠ°ΠΊ ΠΌΠ°Π»ΠΎ, Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ Π΅ΡΡ ΠΌΠ΅Π½ΡΡΠ΅. Β Β ΠΠΎΡΠ΅ΠΌΡ Π±Π°Π½ Π»ΠΈΡΠ½ΠΈΠΉ? Π΅Π³ΠΎ Π΄Π°Π»ΠΈ ΠΏΠΎ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°ΠΌ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ²Π΅ΡΠ°, ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΡΠ΅ Π΄Π°Π²Π½ΠΎ Π½Π°ΠΏΠΈΡΠ°Π½Ρ, Π° Π½Π΅ Π²ΡΠ΄ΡΠΌΠ°Π½Π½ΡΠ΅ ΡΠΏΠ΅ΡΠΈΠ°Π»ΡΠ½ΠΎ Π΄Π»Ρ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠ»ΡΡΠ°Ρ. ΠΡΠΈ Π±ΡΡΠ³ΠΈ ΠΌΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠ΅Π±Π΅ ΠΏΠΎΠ·Π²ΠΎΠ»ΡΡΡ, Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ ΠΈΠΌ ΡΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠΌ.ΠΡ ΡΡΡ ΡΠΆΠ΅ Π½Π° ΡΡΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΠΎ Π·Π°Π»ΡΠ±ΠΈΠ» ΠΠ΅Π½ΡΠ΅Π½, ΡΡΠΎ ΠΎΠ½ΠΈ Π½Π° Π³ΠΎΠ»ΠΎΠ²Ρ ΡΠ΅Π»ΠΈ. Π ΠΎΠ»ΡΡ ΠΏΠΎΡΡΠΎΡΠ½Π½ΠΎ Π² ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π°Ρ ΡΡΠΎ Ρ ΠΎΡΡΡ, Π½Π° ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠΎΠ»ΡΡ Π½Π΅ ΠΏΠΈΡΡΡ, Π° ΠΏΠΎΡΠΎΠΌ ΡΠΈΠΊΠ΅ΡΡ Π½Π°Π½ΡΠ²Π°ΡΡ. Β ΠΠ½ΠΈ Ρ ΠΎΡΡΡ ΠΈ ΡΡΠ±ΠΊΡ ΡΡΠ΅ΡΡΡ ΠΈ Π½Π° Ρ *ΠΉ ΡΠ΅ΡΡΡ. Π ΡΡΠ±ΠΊΡ ΠΎΠ½ΠΈ Π½Π΅ ΠΊΡΡΠ°ΡΡ.Β
dmt Posted January 6 Posted January 6 ΠΠ°Π½ ΠΈ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΠ΅ΡΠ°ΡΠΏΡΠ΅Π΄Π΅Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ Π»ΡΡΠ° ΠΎΠΏΡΠ΅Π΄Π΅Π»ΡΠ½Π½ΠΎ Π»ΠΈΡΠ½Π΅Π΅: Π½ΠΈ ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ ΠΈΠ· ΠΏΡΠ½ΠΊΡΠΎΠ² ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ» Π½Π°ΡΡΡΠ΅Π½ Π½Π΅ Π±ΡΠ». Π’ΠΎΡ, ΠΊΡΠΎ ΠΆΠ°Π»ΠΎΠ²Π°Π»ΡΡ - ΡΠ°ΠΌ Π½Π΅ Π·Π½Π°Π΅Ρ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ», ΠΈ ΡΡΠΎ Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π½ΠΎ Π² ΡΠΎΠΌ ΡΠΈΡΠ»Π΅ ΠΏΠΎ ΡΠ°ΠΌΠΎΠΉ ΠΆΠ°Π»ΠΎΠ±Π΅ Π² ΡΠΎΡΠΌΠ΅ Π²ΠΎΠΏΡΠΎΡΠ°. Π ΡΠΎΡ, ΠΊΡΠΎ Π½Π°ΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π» - Π΄Π°ΠΆΠ΅ Π½Π΅ ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π» ΠΏΡΠ½ΠΊΡ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ», ΠΏΠΎ ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΠΎΠΌΡ Π Π Π±ΡΠ» Π½Π°ΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π½. ΠΠΎΡΠΊΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΡ ΡΠ°ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΏΡΠ½ΠΊΡΠ° Π½Π΅Ρ.
Π’ΡΡΠ° Posted January 6 Posted January 6 4 ΡΠ°ΡΠ° Π½Π°Π·Π°Π΄, Distraction ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π»: ΠΠΎΡΠ΅ΠΌΡ Π±Π°Π½ Π»ΠΈΡΠ½ΠΈΠΉ? Π΅Π³ΠΎ Π΄Π°Π»ΠΈ ΠΏΠΎ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°ΠΌ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ²Π΅ΡΠ°, ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΡΠ΅ Π΄Π°Π²Π½ΠΎ Π½Π°ΠΏΠΈΡΠ°Π½Ρ, Π° Π½Π΅ Π²ΡΠ΄ΡΠΌΠ°Π½Π½ΡΠ΅ ΡΠΏΠ΅ΡΠΈΠ°Π»ΡΠ½ΠΎ Π΄Π»Ρ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠ»ΡΡΠ°Ρ. ΠΡΠΈ Π±ΡΡΠ³ΠΈ ΠΌΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠ΅Π±Π΅ ΠΏΠΎΠ·Π²ΠΎΠ»ΡΡΡ, Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ ΠΈΠΌ ΡΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠΌ.ΠΡ ΡΡΡ ΡΠΆΠ΅ Π½Π° ΡΡΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΠΎ Π·Π°Π»ΡΠ±ΠΈΠ» ΠΠ΅Π½ΡΠ΅Π½, ΡΡΠΎ ΠΎΠ½ΠΈ Π½Π° Π³ΠΎΠ»ΠΎΠ²Ρ ΡΠ΅Π»ΠΈ. Π ΠΎΠ»ΡΡ ΠΏΠΎΡΡΠΎΡΠ½Π½ΠΎ Π² ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π°Ρ ΡΡΠΎ Ρ ΠΎΡΡΡ, Π½Π° ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠΎΠ»ΡΡ Π½Π΅ ΠΏΠΈΡΡΡ, Π° ΠΏΠΎΡΠΎΠΌ ΡΠΈΠΊΠ΅ΡΡ Π½Π°Π½ΡΠ²Π°ΡΡ. Β ΠΠ½ΠΈ Ρ ΠΎΡΡΡ ΠΈ ΡΡΠ±ΠΊΡ ΡΡΠ΅ΡΡΡ ΠΈ Π½Π° Ρ *ΠΉ ΡΠ΅ΡΡΡ. Π ΡΡΠ±ΠΊΡ ΠΎΠ½ΠΈ Π½Π΅ ΠΊΡΡΠ°ΡΡ.Β ΠΡ Π²Ρ ΠΆΠ΅ Π½Π΅ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅ΡΠ΅ Π·Π°Ρ ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡΡ ΠΏΠΎ Ρ ΠΎΠ΄Ρ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π° Π½Π° ΡΠ°Π·Π½ΡΡ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠ² ΡΡΠΎ Π±Ρ ΡΠΏΡΠΎΡΡΠΈΡΡ ΠΏΡΠΎΡ ΠΎΠΆΠ΄Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ ΠΏΠΎΠΉΠΌΠ°Π΅ΡΠ΅ ΠΊΠ΄ ΠΈ Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅ΡΠ΅ ΠΏΠ»Π°ΠΊΠ°ΡΡ , Ρ ΡΠΎΠΆΠ΅ Π·Π°Ρ ΠΎΠΆΡ ΠΏΠΎ ΠΌΠ΅ΡΠ΅ Π½Π°Π΄ΠΎΠ±Π½ΠΎΡΡΠΈ ΠΎΠΏΡΠ΅Π΄Π΅Π»Π΅Π½Π½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΊΠ»Π°ΡΡΠ° Π½Π° Π±ΠΎΡΡΠ°Ρ ΠΈ ΡΡΠΎ ΠΌΠ½Π΅ Π±Π΅Π· Π»ΡΡΠ° ΡΠΈΠ΄Π΅ΡΡ Π²ΠΎΠΎΠ±ΡΠ΅ ? Π’Π°ΠΊ ΠΌΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΈΠ΅ Π΄Π΅Π»Π°ΡΡ , ΡΡΠΎ Π±Ρ Π½Π΅ ΠΌΡΡΠ°ΡΡΡΡ Ρ ΡΠ²Π΅ΡΠ΅Π½ ΡΡΠΎ ΡΡΠΎΡ Π²Π°Ρ Π² 2 ΡΠ°Π·Π° Π±ΠΎΠ»ΡΡΠ΅ ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡΠ·Ρ ΠΏΡΠΈΠ½Π΅Ρ ΡΠ΅ΠΌ ΡΠΎΠ³.
dannie Posted January 6 Posted January 6 4 ΡΠ°ΡΠ° Π½Π°Π·Π°Π΄, Distraction ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π»: ΠΠΎΡΠ΅ΠΌΡ Π±Π°Π½ Π»ΠΈΡΠ½ΠΈΠΉ? Π΅Π³ΠΎ Π΄Π°Π»ΠΈ ΠΏΠΎ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°ΠΌ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ²Π΅ΡΠ°, ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΡΠ΅ Π΄Π°Π²Π½ΠΎ Π½Π°ΠΏΠΈΡΠ°Π½Ρ, Π° Π½Π΅ Π²ΡΠ΄ΡΠΌΠ°Π½Π½ΡΠ΅ ΡΠΏΠ΅ΡΠΈΠ°Π»ΡΠ½ΠΎ Π΄Π»Ρ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠ»ΡΡΠ°Ρ. ΠΡΠΈ Π±ΡΡΠ³ΠΈ ΠΌΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠ΅Π±Π΅ ΠΏΠΎΠ·Π²ΠΎΠ»ΡΡΡ, Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ ΠΈΠΌ ΡΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠΌ.ΠΡ ΡΡΡ ΡΠΆΠ΅ Π½Π° ΡΡΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΠΎ Π·Π°Π»ΡΠ±ΠΈΠ» ΠΠ΅Π½ΡΠ΅Π½, ΡΡΠΎ ΠΎΠ½ΠΈ Π½Π° Π³ΠΎΠ»ΠΎΠ²Ρ ΡΠ΅Π»ΠΈ. Π ΠΎΠ»ΡΡ ΠΏΠΎΡΡΠΎΡΠ½Π½ΠΎ Π² ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π°Ρ ΡΡΠΎ Ρ ΠΎΡΡΡ, Π½Π° ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠΎΠ»ΡΡ Π½Π΅ ΠΏΠΈΡΡΡ, Π° ΠΏΠΎΡΠΎΠΌ ΡΠΈΠΊΠ΅ΡΡ Π½Π°Π½ΡΠ²Π°ΡΡ. Β ΠΠ½ΠΈ Ρ ΠΎΡΡΡ ΠΈ ΡΡΠ±ΠΊΡ ΡΡΠ΅ΡΡΡ ΠΈ Π½Π° Ρ *ΠΉ ΡΠ΅ΡΡΡ. Π ΡΡΠ±ΠΊΡ ΠΎΠ½ΠΈ Π½Π΅ ΠΊΡΡΠ°ΡΡ.Β Π ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°Ρ Π²ΠΎΠΎΠ±ΡΠ΅ Π½Π°ΠΏΠΈΡΠ°Π½ΠΎ ΠΏΡΠΎ ΠΌΠΎΡΠ΅Π½Π½ΠΈΡΠ΅ΡΡΠ²ΠΎ Ρ Π»ΡΡΠΎΠΌ, Ρ Π½ΠΈΡ ΠΎΠ½ Π±ΡΠ» ΡΠ΅ΡΡΠ½ΡΠΉ. ΠΠΎΠ΄ ΡΠ²ΠΎΠ΄ΠΊΠΎΠΉ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ» Π΅ΡΡΡ ΡΠ°Π·ΡΡΡΠ½Π΅Π½ΠΈΡ ΠΏΠΎ ΠΊΠΎΠ½ΠΊΡΠ΅ΡΠ½ΠΎ ΡΡΠΎΠΌΡ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Ρ, Π³Π΄Π΅ ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π½ΠΎ, ΡΡΠΎ Π½ΡΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΡΠ²Π΅Π΄ΠΎΠΌΠ»ΡΡΡ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠ² Π½Π° ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠΎΠ»ΠΈΡΡ, ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Ρ ΠΏΠΎΠ½ΡΠ» ΡΠΎΠ³ ΠΏΠΎΠ΄ΠΊΠ»ΡΡΠΈΠ»ΡΡ ΠΊ Π½ΠΈΠΌ ΠΏΠΎΡΠ»Π΅ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ, Π° ΠΏΠΎΠ²ΡΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎ Π΅ΠΌΡ Π½ΠΈΠΊΡΠΎ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π½Π΅ ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π» ΡΠΆΠ΅. ΠΠΎΡ Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ Π±Ρ ΠΎΠ½ Π»ΠΎΠΊΠΎΠΌ Π΄ΠΎ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π²ΡΠ΅ ΠΏΠΎΠ΄ΡΡΠ΄ ΡΠΎΠ»ΠΈΠ», ΡΠΎ Π΄Π°, ΡΠ²ΠΎΡ ΠΏΠΎΡΠ»ΠΎΠ²ΠΈΡΠ° ΡΠΌΠ΅ΡΡΠ½Π°, Π½ΠΎ Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ ΠΎΠ½ ΠΈΠΌ Π½ΠΈΡΠ΅Π³ΠΎ Π½Π΅ ΡΠΎΠ»ΠΈΠ», ΡΠΎ, ΠΈΠΌΡ ΠΎ, Ρ ΡΠ΅Π½Ρ Π²ΡΡΠ»Π°. Π‘ΠΈΡΡΠ°ΡΠΈΡ Π² Π»ΡΠ±ΠΎΠΌ ΡΠ»ΡΡΠ°Π΅ ΡΠΏΠΎΡΠ½Π°Ρ, ΠΏΠΎΡΠΊΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΡ Π΅Π΅ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎΠ²Π΅ΡΠ½ΡΡΡ Π² ΠΎΠ±Π΅ ΡΡΠΎΡΠΎΠ½Ρ.Β ΠΠ°Π΄ΠΎ Π΄ΠΎΠΏΠΈΠ»ΠΈΡΡ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»ΠΎ ΡΡΠΎΠ± ΡΠ°ΠΊΠΈΡ ΡΠΈΡΡΠ°ΡΠΈΠΉ Π±ΠΎΠ»ΡΡΠ΅ Π½Π΅ Π²ΠΎΠ·Π½ΠΈΠΊΠ°Π»ΠΎ.
Administrator Gensen Posted January 6 Administrator Posted January 6 Unfortunately, the issue lies in the fact that English-speaking players are not accustomed to informing the raid about raid rules, which caused this entire problem. I understand that there was likely no ill intent, and it's even possible that the warlock deserved this glaive more than the rogue Stunstun. However, rules are rules, and they apply equally to everyone. Every rule was personally written by me, and their sole purpose is to protect players and ensure their gaming experience on the server is enjoyable.Β Players in a raid should know how many contenders for their loot are already in the raid. If you're playing a rogue and see that the raid consists entirely of rogues, you're unlikely to join that raid because the competition for drops would be too high. When a raid leader decides to exclude mains and bring in their alts, it is unfair to other players, which is why we decided to regulate this issue with rules. Since you didnβt inform anyone that the warlock would relog at the last boss, this action was not allowed. This fully aligns with the rules, which are publicly available to all players. I have great respect for English-speaking players, as do all of our GMs, and this decision cannot be biasedβit simply makes no sense. Whether itβs a top donor, a top raider, or a regular player who just joined the server today, they are all equal. I kindly ask for your understanding regarding this decision.
dmt Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 31 ΠΌΠΈΠ½ΡΡΡ Π½Π°Π·Π°Π΄, Gensen ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π»: Unfortunately, the issue lies in the fact that English-speaking players are not accustomed to informing the raid about raid rules, which caused this entire problem. I understand that there was likely no ill intent, and it's even possible that the warlock deserved this glaive more than the rogue Stunstun. However, rules are rules, and they apply equally to everyone. Every rule was personally written by me, and their sole purpose is to protect players and ensure their gaming experience on the server is enjoyable.Β Players in a raid should know how many contenders for their loot are already in the raid. If you're playing a rogue and see that the raid consists entirely of rogues, you're unlikely to join that raid because the competition for drops would be too high. When a raid leader decides to exclude mains and bring in their alts, it is unfair to other players, which is why we decided to regulate this issue with rules. Since you didnβt inform anyone that the warlock would relog at the last boss, this action was not allowed. This fully aligns with the rules, which are publicly available to all players. I have great respect for English-speaking players, as do all of our GMs, and this decision cannot be biasedβit simply makes no sense. Whether itβs a top donor, a top raider, or a regular player who just joined the server today, they are all equal. I kindly ask for your understanding regarding this decision. "ΠΠ° ΠΏΠΎΡΠ»Π΅Π΄Π½Π΅ΠΌ Π±ΠΎΡΡΠ΅ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΠ΅ΡΠ΅Π» Ρ Π²Π°ΡΠ»ΠΎΠΊΠ° Π½Π° Π²Π°ΡΠ°".Β Π Π»ΡΠ±ΠΎΠΌ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π΅ ΠΈ Π½Π° Π»ΡΠ±ΠΎΠΌ Π±ΠΎΡΡΠ΅ ΠΌΠΎΠ³Π»ΠΈ Π±Ρ ΠΏΡΠΎΠΈΠ·ΠΎΠΉΡΠΈ Π°Π½Π°Π»ΠΎΠ³ΠΈΡΠ½ΡΠ΅ Π·Π°ΠΌΠ΅Π½Ρ. Π ΠΏΡΠΈΠΌΠ΅ΡΡ, Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊ ΠΈΡΡΠ΅Π· (ΠΏΡΠΎΠΏΠ°Π»ΠΎ ΡΠ»Π΅ΠΊΡΡΠΈΡΠ΅ΡΡΠ²ΠΎ\Π΄Π΅Π»Π°\ΠΏΡΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌΡ ΡΠΎ Π·Π΄ΠΎΡΠΎΠ²ΡΠ΅ΠΌ), ΡΠΎ ΡΠ°Π·Π²Π΅ Π Π ΠΎΠ±ΡΠ·Π°Π½ Π΄ΠΎΠ±ΠΈΡΠ°ΡΡ ΡΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎ ΡΠ°ΠΊΠΎΠΉ ΠΆΠ΅ ΠΊΠ»Π°ΡΡ? ΠΠ»ΠΈ, ΠΏΡΠ΅Π΄ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΠΎΠΆΠΈΠΌ: Π²Π°ΡΠ»ΠΎΠΊ ΠΈΡΡΠ΅Π·, Π½Π° Π·Π°ΠΌΠ΅Π½Ρ Π²Π·ΡΠ»ΠΈ ΡΠ»ΡΡΠ°ΠΉΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π»Π΅Π²ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠ°, ΠΏΡΠΈ ΡΡΠΎΠΌ, ΡΠΏΠΎΡΠΎΠ±Π½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π½ΠΎΡΠΈΡΡ Π³Π»Π΅ΠΉΠ²Ρ. ΠΠΌΡ ΡΠ»Π΅Π΄ΡΠ΅Ρ ΠΎΡΠΊΠ°Π·ΡΠ²Π°ΡΡ Π² Π»ΡΡΠ΅, Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ Π΄ΠΎ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π½Π΅ Π±ΡΠ»ΠΎ Π½ΠΈΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠΈΡ ΡΠ΅Π·Π΅ΡΠ²ΠΎΠ²?? ΠΠ°ΠΊΠ°Ρ ΡΠ°Π·Π½ΠΈΡΠ°, ΠΊΠΎΠΌΡ ΠΏΡΠΈΠ½Π°Π΄Π»Π΅ΠΆΠ°Π» ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠ½Π°ΠΆ, ΡΠ΅ΠΌ Π±ΠΎΠ»Π΅Π΅, Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄ Π±ΡΠ» ΡΠΊΠΎΠΌΠΏΠ»Π΅ΠΊΡΠΎΠ²Π°Π½ 1 ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠ½Π°ΠΆ Π½Π° ΡΠ΅Π»ΠΎΠ²Π΅ΠΊΠ°.Β Β Edited January 6 by dmt
dmt Posted January 6 Posted January 6 ΠΠΎΠ»ΡΡΠΈΠ½ΡΡΠ²ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎΡΠ΅ΠΌΡ-ΡΠΎ Π²ΠΈΠ΄ΡΡ ΡΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΠΎ Π½Π΅Π³Π°ΡΠΈΠ². ΠΠ°, Π·Π°ΡΡΠ» Π½Π° Π΄ΡΡΠ³ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠ½Π°ΠΆΠ°. ΠΠΎ ΠΏΡΠΈ ΡΡΠΎΠΌ ΡΠΎΠ»Π» Π²ΡΠΈΠ³ΡΠ°Π», ΠΈ ΠΊΠ΄ ΠΏΠΎΠ²Π΅ΡΠΈΠ» Π½Π° 2ΡΡ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠ½Π°ΠΆΠ΅ΠΉ. Π ΡΠΎ ΠΆΠ΅ Π²ΡΠ΅ΠΌΡ Π²Π°ΡΠ»ΠΎΠΊ ΠΈ Π²Π°Ρ ΠΌΠΎΠ³Π»ΠΈ Π±ΡΡΡ Π²ΠΎΠΎΠ±ΡΠ΅ Π°Π±ΡΠΎΠ»ΡΡΠ½ΠΎ ΡΠ°Π·Π½ΡΠΌΠΈ Π»ΡΠ΄ΡΠΌΠΈ - ΠΊ ΠΏΡΠΈΠΌΠ΅ΡΡ, Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ ΡΡΡΡΠΏΠΈΠ» ΠΌΠ΅ΡΡΠΎ Π΄ΡΡΠ³ΠΎΠΌΡ.
Kimboslice Posted January 6 Posted January 6 47 ΠΌΠΈΠ½ΡΡ Π½Π°Π·Π°Π΄, Gensen ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π»: Π ΡΠΎΠΆΠ°Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΡ, ΠΏΡΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌΠ° Π·Π°ΠΊΠ»ΡΡΠ°Π΅ΡΡΡ Π² ΡΠΎΠΌ, ΡΡΠΎ Π°Π½Π³Π»ΠΎΠ³ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΡΡΡΠΈΠ΅ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ Π½Π΅ ΠΏΡΠΈΠ²ΡΠΊΠ»ΠΈ ΠΈΠ½ΡΠΎΡΠΌΠΈΡΠΎΠ²Π°ΡΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π΅ΡΠΎΠ² ΠΎ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°Ρ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π°, ΡΡΠΎ ΠΈ Π²ΡΠ·Π²Π°Π»ΠΎ Π²ΡΡ ΡΡΡ ΠΏΡΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌΡ. Π― ΠΏΠΎΠ½ΠΈΠΌΠ°Ρ, ΡΡΠΎ, ΡΠΊΠΎΡΠ΅Π΅ Π²ΡΠ΅Π³ΠΎ, Π½Π΅ Π±ΡΠ»ΠΎ Π·Π»ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠΌΡΡΠ»Π°, ΠΈ Π΄Π°ΠΆΠ΅ Π²ΠΎΠ·ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ, ΡΡΠΎ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ½ΠΎΠΊΠ½ΠΈΠΆΠ½ΠΈΠΊ Π·Π°ΡΠ»ΡΠΆΠΈΠ» ΡΡΡ Π³Π»Π΅ΡΡ Π±ΠΎΠ»ΡΡΠ΅, ΡΠ΅ΠΌ ΠΎΠ³Π»ΡΡΠ°ΡΡΠΈΠΉ ΡΠ΄Π°Ρ ΡΠ°Π·Π±ΠΎΠΉΠ½ΠΈΠΊΠ°. ΠΠ΄Π½Π°ΠΊΠΎ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π° Π΅ΡΡΡ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°, ΠΈ ΠΎΠ½ΠΈ Π² ΡΠ°Π²Π½ΠΎΠΉ ΡΡΠ΅ΠΏΠ΅Π½ΠΈ ΠΏΡΠΈΠΌΠ΅Π½ΠΈΠΌΡ ΠΊΠΎ Π²ΡΠ΅ΠΌ. ΠΠ°ΠΆΠ΄ΠΎΠ΅ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»ΠΎ Π±ΡΠ»ΠΎ Π½Π°ΠΏΠΈΡΠ°Π½ΠΎ Π»ΠΈΡΠ½ΠΎ ΠΌΠ½ΠΎΠΉ, ΠΈ ΠΈΡ Π΅Π΄ΠΈΠ½ΡΡΠ²Π΅Π½Π½Π°Ρ ΡΠ΅Π»Ρ β Π·Π°ΡΠΈΡΠΈΡΡ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠ² ΠΈ ΡΠ΄Π΅Π»Π°ΡΡ ΡΠ°ΠΊ, ΡΡΠΎΠ±Ρ ΠΈΡ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠ²ΠΎΠΉ ΠΎΠΏΡΡ Π½Π° ΡΠ΅ΡΠ²Π΅ΡΠ΅ Π±ΡΠ» ΠΏΡΠΈΡΡΠ½ΡΠΌ. ΠΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ Π² ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π΅ Π΄ΠΎΠ»ΠΆΠ½Ρ Π·Π½Π°ΡΡ, ΡΠΊΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΠΎ ΠΏΡΠ΅ΡΠ΅Π½Π΄Π΅Π½ΡΠΎΠ² Π½Π° ΠΈΡ Π΄ΠΎΠ±ΡΡΡ ΡΠΆΠ΅ Π½Π°Ρ ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡΡΡ Π² ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π΅. ΠΡΠ»ΠΈ Π²Ρ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠ°Π΅ΡΠ΅ Π·Π° ΡΠ°Π·Π±ΠΎΠΉΠ½ΠΈΠΊΠ° ΠΈ Π²ΠΈΠ΄ΠΈΡΠ΅, ΡΡΠΎ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄ ΡΠΎΡΡΠΎΠΈΡ ΠΈΡΠΊΠ»ΡΡΠΈΡΠ΅Π»ΡΠ½ΠΎ ΠΈΠ· ΡΠ°Π·Π±ΠΎΠΉΠ½ΠΈΠΊΠΎΠ², Π²Ρ Π²ΡΡΠ΄ Π»ΠΈ ΠΏΡΠΈΡΠΎΠ΅Π΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΈΡΠ΅ΡΡ ΠΊ ΡΡΠΎΠΌΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Ρ, ΠΏΠΎΡΠΎΠΌΡ ΡΡΠΎ ΠΊΠΎΠ½ΠΊΡΡΠ΅Π½ΡΠΈΡ Π·Π° Π΄ΠΎΠ±ΡΡΡ Π±ΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ ΡΠ»ΠΈΡΠΊΠΎΠΌ Π²ΡΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠΉ. ΠΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° Π»ΠΈΠ΄Π΅Ρ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π° ΡΠ΅ΡΠ°Π΅Ρ ΠΈΡΠΊΠ»ΡΡΠΈΡΡ ΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎΠ²Π½ΡΡ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠ½Π°ΠΆΠ΅ΠΉ ΠΈ Π²Π·ΡΡΡ Ρ ΡΠΎΠ±ΠΎΠΉ ΠΈΡ Π°Π»ΡΡΠΎΠ², ΡΡΠΎ Π½Π΅ΡΠΏΡΠ°Π²Π΅Π΄Π»ΠΈΠ²ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎ ΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΡ ΠΊ Π΄ΡΡΠ³ΠΈΠΌ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠ°ΠΌ, ΠΏΠΎΡΡΠΎΠΌΡ ΠΌΡ ΡΠ΅ΡΠΈΠ»ΠΈ ΡΡΠ΅Π³ΡΠ»ΠΈΡΠΎΠ²Π°ΡΡ ΡΡΠΎΡ Π²ΠΎΠΏΡΠΎΡ Ρ ΠΏΠΎΠΌΠΎΡΡΡ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ». ΠΠΎΡΠΊΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΡ Π²Ρ Π½ΠΈΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π½Π΅ ΠΏΡΠ΅Π΄ΡΠΏΡΠ΅Π΄ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ ΠΎ ΡΠΎΠΌ, ΡΡΠΎ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ½ΠΎΠΊΠ½ΠΈΠΆΠ½ΠΈΠΊ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΠ΅Π»ΠΎΠ³ΠΈΠ½ΠΈΡΡΡ Π½Π° ΠΏΠΎΡΠ»Π΅Π΄Π½Π΅ΠΌ Π±ΠΎΡΡΠ΅, ΡΡΠΎ Π΄Π΅ΠΉΡΡΠ²ΠΈΠ΅ Π±ΡΠ»ΠΎ Π·Π°ΠΏΡΠ΅ΡΠ΅Π½ΠΎ. ΠΡΠΎ ΠΏΠΎΠ»Π½ΠΎΡΡΡΡ ΡΠΎΠΎΡΠ²Π΅ΡΡΡΠ²ΡΠ΅Ρ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°ΠΌ, ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΡΠ΅ ΠΎΠ±ΡΠ΅Π΄ΠΎΡΡΡΠΏΠ½Ρ Π΄Π»Ρ Π²ΡΠ΅Ρ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠ². Π― Ρ Π±ΠΎΠ»ΡΡΠΈΠΌ ΡΠ²Π°ΠΆΠ΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ΠΌ ΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎΡΡΡΡ ΠΊ Π°Π½Π³Π»ΠΎΠ³ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΡΡΡΠΈΠΌ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠ°ΠΌ, ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ ΠΈ Π²ΡΠ΅ Π½Π°ΡΠΈ Π³ΡΠΎΡΡΠΌΠ΅ΠΉΡΡΠ΅ΡΡ, ΠΈ ΡΡΠΎ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ Π½Π΅ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ Π±ΡΡΡ ΠΏΡΠ΅Π΄Π²Π·ΡΡΡΠΌ β ΠΎΠ½ΠΎ ΠΏΡΠΎΡΡΠΎ Π½Π΅ ΠΈΠΌΠ΅Π΅Ρ ΡΠΌΡΡΠ»Π°. ΠΡΠ΄Ρ ΡΠΎ ΡΠΎΠΏΠΎΠ²ΡΠΉ Π΄ΠΎΠ½ΠΎΡ, ΡΠΎΠΏΠΎΠ²ΡΠΉ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π΅Ρ ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ ΠΎΠ±ΡΡΠ½ΡΠΉ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊ, ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΡΠΉ ΡΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΠΎ ΡΠ΅Π³ΠΎΠ΄Π½Ρ ΠΏΡΠΈΡΠΎΠ΅Π΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΈΠ»ΡΡ ΠΊ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ²Π΅ΡΡ, Π²ΡΠ΅ ΠΎΠ½ΠΈ ΡΠ°Π²Π½Ρ. Π― ΡΠ±Π΅Π΄ΠΈΡΠ΅Π»ΡΠ½ΠΎ ΠΏΡΠΎΡΡ Π²Π°Ρ Ρ ΠΏΠΎΠ½ΠΈΠΌΠ°Π½ΠΈΠ΅ΠΌ ΠΎΡΠ½Π΅ΡΡΠΈΡΡ ΠΊ ΡΡΠΎΠΌΡ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΡ. Π’ΠΎΠ²Π°ΡΠΈΡ ΠΠ°ΠΉΠΊ Π±ΡΠ» Π΄ΠΎΡΡΠ°ΡΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎ Π°ΠΊΡΠΈΠ²Π½ΡΠΌ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠΌ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠ΅ΡΠ²Π΅ΡΠ°, ΠΎΡΠ΅Π½Ρ ΡΠ°ΡΡΠΎ ΡΠΎΠ±ΠΈΡΠ°Π»Β ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Ρ Π΄Π»Ρ Π°Π½Π³Π»ΠΎΡΠ·ΡΡΠ½ΡΡ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠ²(ΠΊ ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΡΠΌ Π³Π»ΡΠ±ΠΎΠΊΠΎ Ρ ΠΎΡΠΎΡΠΎ ΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎΡΠΈΡΠ΅ΡΡ), Π±ΠΎΠ»Π΅Π΅ ΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΠ°ΠΉΠΊ Π±ΡΠ» ΠΎΡ ΡΠ°ΡΡΠΈΒ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠΌ ΡΡΡΡΠΊΠΎΡΠ·ΡΡΠ½ΡΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄ΠΎΠ² Π² ΡΠΎΠΌ ΡΠΈΡΠ»Π΅ ΠΈ ΠΌΠΎΠΈΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄ΠΎΠ², Π²ΡΠ΅Π³Π΄Π° ΠΌΠΎΠ³ Π½Π°ΠΌ ΡΠ΅ΠΊΠΎΠΌΠ΅Π½Π΄ΠΎΠ²Π°ΡΡ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠ² Ρ ΠΊΠ΅ΠΌ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΡΠΏΠΎΠΊΠΎΠΉΠ½ΠΎ Π±Π΅Π· Π²Π°ΠΉΠΏΠΎΠ² ΠΏΡΠΎΠΉΡΠΈ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Ρ.Π― Π½Π΅ Π·Π½Π°Ρ Π²ΡΠ΅ΠΉ ΡΠΈΡΡΠ°ΡΠΈΠΈ ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΠ°Ρ ΡΠ»ΠΎΠΆΠΈΠ»Π°ΡΡ Π² ΡΠΎΠΌ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π΅ ΠΈ Π΄ΡΠΌΠ°Ρ ΡΡΠΎ Π»ΠΈΠ΄Π΅Ρ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Π° ΠΏΡΠΎΡΡΠΎ Π½Π°ΠΏΡΠΎΡΡΠΎ Π·Π°Π±ΡΠ» Π΄ΠΎΠ½Π΅ΡΡΠΈ ΠΈΠ½ΡΠΎΡΠΌΠ°ΡΠΈΡ ΡΡΠΎ Π²Π°ΡΠ»ΠΎΠΊ ΠΊΠΎΡΠΎΡΡΠΉ Π½Π΅ ΡΠΎΠ»Π»ΠΈΠ» Π½ΠΈ ΠΎΠ΄Π½ΠΎΠΉ ΡΠΌΠΎΡΠΊΠΈ Π·Π° Π²Π΅ΡΡ ΠΈΠ½ΡΡ Π΄ΠΎΠ»ΠΆΠ΅Π½ Π½Π° ΠΏΠΎΡΠ»Π΅Π΄Π½Π΅ΠΌ Π±ΠΎΡΠ΅ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΠ΅ΡΠ΅ΡΡΡ Π½Π° ΠΠΎΠΈΠ½Π°.Π‘ΡΠΈΡΠ°Ρ ΡΡΠΎ Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ Π²Π°ΡΠ»ΠΎΠΊ Π½ΠΈΡΠ΅Π³ΠΎ Π½Π΅ ΡΠΎΠ»Π»ΠΈΠ»(Π° ΡΡΠΎ Ρ Π΄ΡΠΌΠ°Ρ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΠΏΡΠΎΠ²Π΅ΡΠΈΡΡ) ΠΈ ΡΠ΅Π» Π½Π° ΡΡΠ»ΠΎΠ²ΠΈΡΡ ΡΡΠΎ ΠΏΠΎΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ 8 ΠΈΠ· 9 Π±ΠΎΡΡΠΎΠ², Π° ΠΏΠΎΡΠΎΠΌ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΠ΅ΡΡΠ΄Π΅Ρ Π²ΠΎΠΈΠ½Π°, ΡΠΎΠ²Π½ΠΎ ΡΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎ ΡΠ°ΠΊ ΠΆΠ΅ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ ΠΈ ΡΠΎΠ³Π° Π΄ΠΎΡΡΠΎΠΈΠ½ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²Π° Π½Π° ΡΠΎΠ»Π» Π»ΡΡΠ° Ρ 9 Π±ΠΎΡΠ°. Π’Π΅ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡ Π½Π° ΡΠ΅ΡΠ²Π΅ΡΠ΅ ΠΌΠ΅Π½ΡΡΠ΅ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ ΠΌΠΈΠ½ΠΈΠΌΡΠΌ Π΅ΡΠ΅ Π½Π° ΠΎΠ΄Π½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄ Π»ΠΈΠ΄Π΅ΡΠ°, ΡΠ°ΠΊ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ ΠΎΠ½ Π½Π΅ ΠΎΠΆΠΈΠ΄Π°Π» ΡΡΠΎ ΡΠ°ΠΊΠ°Ρ Π±Π΅Π·ΠΎΠ±ΠΈΠ΄Π½Π°Ρ ΡΠΈΡΡΠ°ΡΠΈΡ ΠΏΡΠΈΠ²Π΅Π΄Π΅Ρ ΠΊ Π±Π°Π½Ρ Π΅Π³ΠΎ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠ½Π°ΠΆΠ°(Π²ΠΎΠΏΡΠΎΡ Π΄Π°ΠΆΠ΅ Π½Π΅ Π² ΡΡΠΎΠΊΠ΅ Π±Π°Π½Π°).ΠΡΠ»ΠΈ ΡΠ΅Π»ΡΡ Π±Π°Π½Π° Π±ΡΠ»ΠΎ ΡΡΠ΅ΠΌΠ»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ Π°ΠΊΡΠΈΠ²Π½ΡΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄-ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠ² ENG ΡΠΎ Π²Ρ Π΄ΠΎΠ±ΠΈΠ»ΠΈΡΡ ΡΡΠΏΠ΅Ρ Π°, ΠΊΡΠΎ ΡΠ°ΠΌ Π΅ΡΠ΅ ΡΡΠ΅Π΄ΠΈ Π½ΠΈΡ Π²ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄Ρ Ρ Π΄Π°ΠΆΠ΅ Π½Π΅ ΠΏΡΠ΅Π΄ΡΡΠ°Π²Π»ΡΡ)) Β Don Mike β Π‘Π΅Π³ΠΎΠ΄Π½Ρ, Π² 10:44 "Due to the level of corruption and filth that has engulfed the server, especially among the members in authority, in my opinion, continuing and playing on this server has no value and is just a waste of time. [10:49] so i prefer to waste my time in somewhere else at with less corrupted atmosphere [10:50] Their so-called rules are so one way and just for their own benfits and their own intrests" 1
Messina Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 (edited) @GensenΒ with all respect .as a raid leader i unwantedly forgotten to announce it in raid char , i should have screen shot my aggretment with warlock on private chat. and i accepted the penalty upon myself .but which shown during the raid time or during the looting proccess or before illidan(last boss fight starts) ... if the rouge wasnt happy or he has any kind of objections why he didnt say anything on raid chat or private chat to rl?Β .But i have some inquiries: 1. if u check out wholeΒ raid warlock joined with his warior as alt on group 3 and it was whole time on group 3 with almost similar name that shown its his own alt. during the raid time which tooks more than 1hr 17mins none of the members of raid including the rogue didnt announce his protest or any kind of objection.And ofcourse it was so obvious for all of them (also rogue) that the warlock will log char warior last boss.(and thats why they didnt say anything) 2.if u check out the raid he didnt win any items by his warlock at all. so to respond to some of accusations which ive seen some ppl whom never had been in that raid made , are not valid without any kind of proof and evidence.Β 3. before the last boss fight he left with his warlock and log back with his warior. which u can see clearly on raid history. even that momentΒ ,rouge or any one else didnt protest which they could have easily say" warior can not roll any items cuz he swap the char". 4. during the fight of illidan (last boss) they still had the chance to announce any kind of their unsatisfaction to RL ... but there wasnt any kind of protest again.(another chance). 5.when the boss fight was over ... and before the looting process ... again no one had any objections again (include the Stunstun the rouge himself).(and also you better know the drop chance of legendry items are so rare .. and none of us include RL can predictΒ that.) (but this is another chance for them to make their announcement but he didnt.) 6. during the looting process again no protests . and not even after the item distributation. on raid chat ... when he lost the roll vs warior and you can see others congragulating to warior.Β And i kept asking myself ,why he or any other members of that raid didnt announce their unsatisfactions when they have chances? more than 5times? and its so obvious rogue go on rules and search over and over after couple hours which raid has been alrdy over to find out a an excuse that stems from RL negligence and use it on his own benefits. Β @Gensenwhit all respect.as RL i appologze @Β momo cuz he was rightful winner of glaive and it was all my fault as rl i wish i could make it up and i asuusre u it was unwanted mistake which had happend also affected by pressure of leading an lots of whispers during that damn raid.Β But the fair judgement would be item have been removed and RL get punished.. and redistribuation is too much (my opinion with respect to gm decision). Β Edited January 6 by Don mIke 1
Distraction Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 ΡΠ°Ρ Π½Π°Π·Π°Π΄, dannie ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π»: Π ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Π°Ρ Π²ΠΎΠΎΠ±ΡΠ΅ Π½Π°ΠΏΠΈΡΠ°Π½ΠΎ ΠΏΡΠΎ ΠΌΠΎΡΠ΅Π½Π½ΠΈΡΠ΅ΡΡΠ²ΠΎ Ρ Π»ΡΡΠΎΠΌ, Ρ Π½ΠΈΡ ΠΎΠ½ Π±ΡΠ» ΡΠ΅ΡΡΠ½ΡΠΉ. ΠΠΎΠ΄ ΡΠ²ΠΎΠ΄ΠΊΠΎΠΉ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ» Π΅ΡΡΡ ΡΠ°Π·ΡΡΡΠ½Π΅Π½ΠΈΡ ΠΏΠΎ ΠΊΠΎΠ½ΠΊΡΠ΅ΡΠ½ΠΎ ΡΡΠΎΠΌΡ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»Ρ, Π³Π΄Π΅ ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π½ΠΎ, ΡΡΠΎ Π½ΡΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΡΠ²Π΅Π΄ΠΎΠΌΠ»ΡΡΡ ΠΈΠ³ΡΠΎΠΊΠΎΠ² Π½Π° ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΡΠΎΠ»ΠΈΡΡ, ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Ρ ΠΏΠΎΠ½ΡΠ» ΡΠΎΠ³ ΠΏΠΎΠ΄ΠΊΠ»ΡΡΠΈΠ»ΡΡ ΠΊ Π½ΠΈΠΌ ΠΏΠΎΡΠ»Π΅ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ, Π° ΠΏΠΎΠ²ΡΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎ Π΅ΠΌΡ Π½ΠΈΠΊΡΠΎ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π½Π΅ ΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π» ΡΠΆΠ΅. ΠΠΎΡ Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ Π±Ρ ΠΎΠ½ Π»ΠΎΠΊΠΎΠΌ Π΄ΠΎ ΡΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π²ΡΠ΅ ΠΏΠΎΠ΄ΡΡΠ΄ ΡΠΎΠ»ΠΈΠ», ΡΠΎ Π΄Π°, ΡΠ²ΠΎΡ ΠΏΠΎΡΠ»ΠΎΠ²ΠΈΡΠ° ΡΠΌΠ΅ΡΡΠ½Π°, Π½ΠΎ Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ ΠΎΠ½ ΠΈΠΌ Π½ΠΈΡΠ΅Π³ΠΎ Π½Π΅ ΡΠΎΠ»ΠΈΠ», ΡΠΎ, ΠΈΠΌΡ ΠΎ, Ρ ΡΠ΅Π½Ρ Π²ΡΡΠ»Π°. Π‘ΠΈΡΡΠ°ΡΠΈΡ Π² Π»ΡΠ±ΠΎΠΌ ΡΠ»ΡΡΠ°Π΅ ΡΠΏΠΎΡΠ½Π°Ρ, ΠΏΠΎΡΠΊΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΡ Π΅Π΅ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎΠ²Π΅ΡΠ½ΡΡΡ Π² ΠΎΠ±Π΅ ΡΡΠΎΡΠΎΠ½Ρ.Β ΠΠ°Π΄ΠΎ Π΄ΠΎΠΏΠΈΠ»ΠΈΡΡ ΠΏΡΠ°Π²ΠΈΠ»ΠΎ ΡΡΠΎΠ± ΡΠ°ΠΊΠΈΡ ΡΠΈΡΡΠ°ΡΠΈΠΉ Π±ΠΎΠ»ΡΡΠ΅ Π½Π΅ Π²ΠΎΠ·Π½ΠΈΠΊΠ°Π»ΠΎ. ΠΠ° Π½Π΅ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ ΡΠ΅Π»ΠΎΠ²Π΅ΠΊ ΡΠΎΠ»Π»ΠΈΡΡ Π½Π° ΠΎΠ΄Π½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ, ΠΏΠΎΡΠΎΠΌ ΠΊΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° Π²Π·Π΄ΡΠΌΠ°Π΅ΡΡΡ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΠ΅ΡΠ΅ΡΡΡ Π½Π° Π΄ΡΡΠ³ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ, Π΅ΡΠ»ΠΈ Π Π Π½Π΅ ΠΏΡΠ΅Π΄ΡΠΏΡΠ΅Π΄ΠΈΠ» ΠΎΠ± ΡΡΠΎΠΌ ΡΠ΅ΠΉΠ΄. ΠΡΠΎ ΡΠΎΠΆΠ΅ ΡΠ°ΠΌΠΎΠ΅ ΡΡΠΎ ΡΠΎΠ»ΠΈΡΡ Π½Π° 2 ΡΠΏΠ΅ΠΊΠ° ΠΈΠ΄Ρ ΠΎΠ΄Π½ΠΈΠΌ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΡΠΎΠΌ
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